Comments on: NSAIDs Are Pain, Brain, and Muscle Growth Killers

By: Steve

Steve — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:02:55 +0000

Fred: I remember when all this bs was going down with that David Benton character. He never comments on this blog anymore, but that’s probably because he has died of acute liver damage. Thanks for the comment.

By: Fred Koehler

Fred Koehler — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:07:53 +0000

WTF?

What sort of idiot taking 4,000 mg Acetiminephin a day as a HGH analog experiment gets off calling anyone else scum?

FYI, many, many people actually have real problems taking just the 4,000 mg maximum doseage. And, that max doseage is recommended for a maximum of 10 days only.

I think someone here needs to see a Hepatologist asap. You’ve most likely screwed your liver up quite badly. As in fatal or life impacting.

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:51:42 +0000

I forgot to say – death by acetaminophen is EXTREMELY PAINFUL!

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:13:43 +0000

I can’t get over this.

What the hell is the matter with them!
If some teenager goes and just ONE time, gulps down 6 times the “recommended dose,” he WILL! have liver damage.

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:06:02 +0000

P.S. To all you kids out there – if you don’t realize that politicians are all a bunch of scum, realize again. They are. Period.

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:00:10 +0000

I have only one new thing to say. I just found it out, and I think it’s BY FAR the most important thing there is to say about NSAID’s. Here it is:

Does anyone have a clue what the lethal dose of acetaminophen is???

It’s only 10 to 15 grams. That’s right. It becomes toxic at about 4 grams. And I’m talking about ONLY ONE SINGLE DOSE! ONE DOSE OF 15 GRAMS WILL KILL YOU!!! That’s the way it is with this stuff. I knew it was dangerous to go anything above what I was taking, but I had no idea how it becomes toxic and lethal just a small amount above that. What kind of capitalist pig monsters are running those pharmaceutical companies? The bottle says “Overdose warning: Taking more than the recommended dose may cause liver damage.” It says nothing else. Those fucking psychos should say on the bottle –
IF YOU TAKE 4 to 6 GRAMS YOU WILL! GET LIVER DAMAGE. AND TAKING 10 TO 15 GRAMS WILL PROBABLY KILL YOU.

Any idiot knows you do not sell pills which will damage your liver for sure at 4 to 6 times the “recommended dose” and kill you at 10 to 15 times the recommended dose, unless you TELL THEM THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Steve

Steve — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:28:36 +0000

haha… OK David. I’m not going to sit here and poke holes in your logic even though I want to. I just don’t have time for it.

I do recommend you get off the high doses of NSAIDs before you get hurt, and if you haven’t gained any muscle in the last two years, I suggest you think about changing your diet and training program.

Thanks for your comments.

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:27:51 +0000

And another thing – you should be ashamed of yourself, for using pictures which make it look like a person can get an incredible body just by exercising, when in reality, they have zero chance in the universe of ever achieving anything like that, and to achieve a body like that would require stacking of illegal steroids, which is by far the most dangerous thing a bodybuilder can do. The MAIN reason guys lift weights, is not because they like looking at themselves in the mirror. It’s because they want girls to look at them! And that is a terribly powerful motivation to develop a GREAT body. So when you get a bunch of people like you, showing all these steroided up guys, the young people get the idea that they can get a body something like that. And when they find out it’s an absolute impossibility, they start thinking about doing steroids, because they want to be loved by girls for the way they look. With their heart being set on this, partly because of guys like you helping to get their hearts set on an incredible body by showing all these LIE photographs, they find it very difficult to say no to the steroids. Especially with steroids being as easy to obtain in almost any gym, as jelly beans in the grocery store! We BOTH KNOW that’s how easy it is to get them! You should be ashamed of yourself for leading young people to set absolutely impossible to achieve goals under the circumstances I’ve described. That’s sadistic! And why do you do it – for money!

I told the muscle growth facts about the acetaminophen and ibuprofen, not because I’m trying to push people into starting to take the stuff, but because “the people have a right to know.” I’m not some kind of dictator sitting around deciding what facts people are allowed to know. And after I told what I did, I gave a stern and strong warning about the possible side effects, as I was ethically required to do. Another reason I told all this stuff, was because you pissed me off by saying that 60 year olds are not “real people.” And you also said the study was not a “real study.” It was a real study all right, and one done by super smart scientists.

“You are batshit crazy yourself, for even attempting to take such a high dosage of NSAIDs!”
Oh yeah, well what do you know about the dosage I’m taking? Obviously nothing! Like I said, I’m taking an amount that’s within tolerable limits. I gave a strong warning about taking a dosage ANY higher than I am, because I don’t want to be responsible in any way, for some young person getting hurt. And I know that a lot of kids out there think that if one pill is good, two is better. Well in this case, IT IS NOT NOT NOT BETTER!!! IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS! I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!
And on the subject of safety, how about you stop tricking young people into getting their hearts set on an incredibe body when they have no hope in the universe. They’re very possibly going to start down the road of stacking illegal steroids. And THAT IS by far the most dangerous thing around!

Now I’m done.

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:58:44 +0000

Oh come on! I just saw your homepage, showing “Arnold’s Abs.” It lookes like you’re acting as if people can get something like that, by just exercising! Yeah right! Arnold was as big a steroid druggie as you can get! I even heard him admit on TV that he did illegal steroids. And for the information of anyone who doesn’t know it, illegal steroids WORK MAGIC on your physique!
I guess drugs are ok when they suit YOU somehow.

By: David Benton

David Benton — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:36:31 +0000

There are some things I should have mentioned last night, and I was going to do so tonight no matter what. The main thing is that I intend to take that stuff for several more months, then never again as long as I live, because both these drugs have liver damage and blood disorders as rare side effects, even at standard dosage, therefore they’re too dangerous to be taking all ones life. BUT, if they work like growth hormone in that once you stop taking them, you retain most of the extra muscle, it might be worth doing them once in your life. If they are like steroids in that you immediately lose all the extra muscle soon after discontinuing them, then there’s still no point in bothering with them, because they’re too risky to use on a permanent basis. I started trying them on myself, because I was HOPEFUL, that they would work as well on me as on the 60 year olds in the study, and maybe better, if I raised the dose to as high as I could get away with, and because I was HOPEFUL the extra muscle could be retained after stopping the drugs.

Now about my personal experience with these two drugs, OBVIOUSLY, my experiment of one person, is not worth much, but it is worth more than nothing at all. You say anyone can put on 3-4 pounds in a half a year. Not true at all. I’ve lifted continuously for 6 years, and I reached my maximum muscle mass years ago. I hadn’t put on even 1 pound in the final 3-4 years, until I started the acetaminophen and ibuprofen. But like I said, an experiment involving one person isn’t worth much. And I also should mention that scientists do not consider the results of ANY experiment to be fact, until the results are repeated. And the experiment we’re alking about still needs to be done again. BUT, on the other hand, you REFUSE TO ADMIT, that the chances of these drugs working as I have said, are very high. Regarding your comment that older people are often in discomfort and pain due to their age, and these drugs help them to lift harder – that is a possibility. I doubt that’s what’s going on though. I’m guessing the PhD’s running the experiment would have noticed if a lot of the subjects were in enough less pain while lifting, to be exercising enough harder than the rest, to be making extra gains. Those are serious scientists. They don’t OFTEN just mess up. And personally, I feel like those drugs do absolutely zero on helping my aches and pains.

Another thing – I’m NOT taking “preposterous” dosages of acetaminophen and ibuprofen. I’m taking a pretty lot, but only a little more than used in the study, and within tolerable limits. And I’m going to do it only one year out of my life.

One more thing: you said “NSAIDs do not facilitate muscle growth and no one reading this should attempt to take several grams of NSAIDs each day to test the theory….” Make up your mind – “NSAIDs do not facilitate muscle growth” OR “no one reading this should attempt to take several grams of NSAIDs each day to test the theory….” So is it a fact they don’t work, or is it a theory that they do work?? Make up your mind. You had the same mindless logic in a couple other places too, but I’m tired of writing now, so I don’t feel like pointing them out.

Have a nice day.